tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3228471701027095291.post527147622482722298..comments2023-03-24T05:12:53.248+00:00Comments on Chris Davies MEP: UKIP PUT IN ITS PLACEChris Davieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02085962417807014940noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3228471701027095291.post-20540133156907917312009-09-15T20:30:21.154+01:002009-09-15T20:30:21.154+01:00Gerard Batten is a London MEP. Lib Dems put in its...Gerard Batten is a London MEP. Lib Dems put in its place ?Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3228471701027095291.post-77454670492820428962009-09-15T13:05:10.460+01:002009-09-15T13:05:10.460+01:00Yeah, sorry, I share the sentiments of most grown ...Yeah, sorry, I share the sentiments of most grown ups about UKIP being a bunch of jokers but only a fool or a liar would attempt to say that the Irish weren't forced into this second referendum.<br /><br />The Irish voted no to a flawed treaty and they have been 'encouraged' to rethink. That stretches my conception of democracy to breaking point.<br /><br />I am 100% pro-European and a good LD but I would also like to see LDs standing up a bit more to the institutional juggernaut which has brought about this situation.WIT AND WISDOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04048085872273059679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3228471701027095291.post-88635414745848405792009-09-15T12:16:48.334+01:002009-09-15T12:16:48.334+01:00Actually Ukip are right,
in the sense that Ireland...Actually Ukip are right,<br />in the sense that Ireland did not really have a choice here.<br /><br />The situation - from the outset of all of this - was that unanimous decision among member states was required to ratify the treaty.<br /><br />The situation - after the FIRST Irish no<br />- was that other EU states WENT AHEAD ANYWAY in ratifying something that then should have been seen as dead.<br /><br />As I said in a previous satire about it<br />(also at <a href="http://www.ceolas.net/#eu7x" rel="nofollow">http://www.ceolas.net/#eu7x</a>)<br /><br />this is like any group of people setting out what to do together,<br />with from the OUTSET the notion that unanimous agreement is required - but after one says no, the others still -unjustly- seek agreement on the first proposal put.<br /><br />Therefore:<br />It's not as if there is no pressure on the Irish government<br />here!<br />A fly on the wall at post-no meetings between Irish and EU representatives would have nice tales to tell you.<br /><br />Sure, Irish ministers will huff and they'll puff with the pride of representatives of any small newly independent nation,<br />and claim that it's all their own choice,<br />but everyone - including them - knows it's a "choice" they had to make.Lighthousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123172670211101092noreply@blogger.com